It took me a while to figure out my exact problem but it's this: Joss has given in to nihilism. It'd be interesting to go back and re-listen to his Harvard talk on Humanistic Atheism, where he tries to affirm that value can be found in a godless world. But in Cabin, well -- it had to end the way it did; but that begs the question of just why we should get out of bed every morning. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out in the plotting for season 9.
Anyway, in case you couldn't tell: Cabin in the Woods -- clever, for sure. Well done and thought-provoking in all the ways Max says. I despised it.
(And when exactly did it get so expensive to go to the movies?)
1. They originally wanted Spike in a stand alone series, but decided they liked Spike with Buffy and the other characters -- pretty much the sort of thing we saw in the first ten issues.
2. As they were breaking down the details for the next ten issues, they realized as they hit the big plot points, Spike wasn't showing up in them. It'd be Buffy does this, Xander does that, and Xander, Koh and Spike do that. Nothing specific for Spike. They didn't think it would be doing a service to his character just to have him around doing good dialogue. And there were Spike-specific issues that were interesting to them to explore but they couldn't do it in the main book. Ergo miniseries.
3. All the pieces of season 9 work together in complicated ways. It's not one big story, but all the pieces are important. That means A&F and season 9 are NOT running on separate tracks -- though the way they fit together is not what fans might think. This is true of the mini series as well. We won't see the big picture until it's all done.
4. They have never adjusted the story to manage sales. That's true of the pregnancy, the abortion, the non abortion, Spike's presence and Spike's absence. They feel like the best they can do is bring in good talent to tell a story true to Joss's vision. If they were pandering to fans to juice sales, it would be in the other direction -- Spike is very popular. I'll add that Scott's pretty excited about how the story works, and he writes about it in a way that is 100% consistent with the thought that they write the story as best they can and hope the sales will follow.
5. This was a big change, but they thought it was best for the character and best for the books, and probably best for Spuffies.
My take away... this is about the plotting of the midsection of the season. It's not a big shift in whatever they were planning for Spike and/or Spuffy. It was the dead zone for Spike that got them to change things, not them changing away from something that was well-thought out. They hadn't realized until they broke it down that there was nothing substantive enough for Spike. I like that their interest in the character caused them to think about how they could get more of Spike's story out there when it wasn't going to fit in the book.
ETA: Scott adds that he's sorry he hasn't had a chance to reply to everybody -- he's been really busy.
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For the record, I'm a moderate conservative, but it's the Republicans that have me screaming at the television the most. There are some liberals who are partisan to the core, but they aren't dominant in their own party the way the hard-core partisans are dominant in the Republican party. Apologies to Republicans on my flist. I'm annoyed because y'all are my own and I'm in exile for the foreseeable future.
So there you go! I do still think the panel is emotionally loaded.
New Spike comic out today: It's totally worth the effort to track down the code you need to read it.
It's fabulous and fun.
I've got nothing to add. So below, just me observing that DH might as well just put out an official announcement about the Spuffiness of season 9.
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Update on my personal life below the cut:
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Standard spoiler warning: The notes are written for folks who have seen all of BtVS and AtS. I'll be spoiling through the comics as well. Basically -- if you are a spoiler-phobe and haven't seen or read it all, read further at your own risk.
Standard Credits: I've written the material in black; Strudel (aka my Bro) writes in blue;
Buffy 3.17-- Enemies, in Which Everyone Acts
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ETA: We're going to have to edit down and repost. Strudel is on the case, and hopefully we'll have something for you in a couple of hours.
But since I've got your attention, it's time to announce a change in the posting schedule. Due to my my move (and need to fix up my house to put it on the market, etc. etc.), we're going to post every other week. Accordingly the notes to Earshot will be up on June 20th. We should go back to once-a-week posting around mid-July.
But the notes to Enemies WILL be up sometime tonight!
Standard spoiler warning: The notes are written for folks who have seen all of BtVS and AtS. I'll be spoiling through the comics as well. Basically -- if you are a spoiler-phobe and haven't seen or read it all, read further at your own risk.
Standard Credits: I've written the material in black; Strudel (aka my Bro) writes in blue;
Buffy 3.16 -- Doppelgangland, in Which Dark Willow Tries to Kill Pink Fuzzy Willow.
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Standard disclaimer: I'll often speak of foreshadowing, but that doesn't mean I'm at all committing to the idea that there was some fixed design from the word go -- it's a short hand for talking about the resonances that end up in the text as it unspools.
Standard spoiler warning: The notes are written for folks who have seen all of BtVS and AtS. I'll be spoiling through the comics as well. Basically -- if you are a spoiler-phobe and haven't seen or read it all, read further at your own risk.
Standard Credits: I've written the material in black; Strudel (aka my Bro) writes in blue;
local_max writes in purple. Or at least, that's what they've done when I finish editing and formatting.
However dense the saga of Faith’s fall might be, it does not exhaust the episode, so herewith a survey of the other things going on in Consequences.
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Due to large amounts of real life pressure all around, we've decided to bring you part II of Consequences on our regular posting day and then do Doppelgangland the week after that.
As a bit of a head's up, I'm getting ready for a big move and am trying to simultaneously wind up a big project. We're going to try to keep things going, but it's not unlikely that a week or two might have to be skipped just to keep sanity all around. I'll be back in the game 100% mid-July.
Standard spoiler warning: The notes are written for folks who have seen all of BtVS and AtS. I'll be spoiling through the comics as well. Basically -- if you are a spoiler-phobe and haven't seen or read it all, read further at your own risk.
Standard Credits: I've written the material in black; Strudel (aka my Bro) writes in blue;
Buffy 3.15: Consequences, in Which Every Action Has a Negative Reaction
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Standard spoiler warning: The notes are written for folks who have seen all of BtVS and AtS. I'll be spoiling through the comics as well. Basically -- if you are a spoiler-phobe and haven't seen or read it all, read further at your own risk.
Standard Credits: I've written the material in black; Strudel (aka my Bro) writes in blue;
Buffy 3.14: Bad Girls, in Which Faith and Buffy Do Bad Things
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Standard spoiler warning: The notes are written for folks who have seen all of BtVS and AtS. I'll be spoiling through the comics as well. Basically -- if you are a spoiler-phobe and haven't seen or read it all, read further at your own risk.
Standard Credits: I've written the material in black; Strudel (aka my Bro) writes in blue;
Buffy 3.13: The Zeppo, in Which Xander Likes the Quiet
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